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Wednesday, February 11, 2009

The recent attack on the Catholic Church

I meant to get this done last night. I wanted to comment a little on this recent thing with the Bishop and the Pope and the Vatican , which I think has been conspicuous as perhaps of one of the more wanton attempts to attack the Catholic Church I've seen the media come up with.

There are sensitive topics buried in this for sure, but frankly it's also the height of vulgarity for the media as a whole, for Jewish groups, commentators and non-Jewish sympathisers, along with the likes of Angela Merkel to try to grandstand by creating a campaign out of the views of one man, against the recent backdrop of the horrors in Gaza at the hands of Israel, and the overall situation there for some time.

I think it's very conspicuous.

From the BBC, to the New York Times to the Times of London, what we have witnessed is nothing short of just another concerted vicious campaign of egregious drivel dressed up in the usual secular probity to needlessly whip up controversy using some guy nobody had even heard of, almost certainly set up to have exactly this effect, to preemptively attack the Church to make sure it doesn't step too out of line, and in particular to provide another wonderful distraction to the recent gutting of Gaza.

Of course this is all the while propagandizing the usual message to the hapless proles that the Church is secretly wicked, backward, and so on, and must demonstrate its commitment to all things we the media tell it are 'worthy' including its own castration.

Well that's what psychotic drivel is. While we understand people wanting to do what may seem like the right thing, I think it's incorrect to frame these issues around some bottomless pit of endless interfaith 'placation', and I'm kind of lost as to how the role of the Church is supposed to be demonstrated first and foremost as whatever the media tells it it should be.

It should just be itself.

And this all too familiar picture of having to pay sufficient reverence to the crimes of the Holocaust, is one that's become way outside of just basic decency, sympathy, understanding and good will. And it's not just the Holocaust, the structure of this is used over and over again.

I'm sorry to say, at least in what I've seen plucked out and presented by the media which I have no doubt could well be flawed, I can't help but be somewhat inquisitive with some of the things said or at least how their are framed, such as the Pope apparently having to express his "indisputable solidarity with Jews".

I'm no theologian but surely the Church has a indisputable solidarity to all mankind.

And why seriously was German Chancellor Angela Merkel telling the Pope what to do ? What serious explanation is there for this ? Enough of this crap already. This is silly. This is just not healthy.

Excuse my language, but Angela Merkel looks like a real f*cking joke. Even more of a f*cking joke and ridiculous puppet than she did, and that's truly saying something.

And really I find this use of the Holocaust to attack things that are inherently good, absolutely vile actually. It gets to a point of sickly awfulness.

You see there is a bottom rung of reality, and if we can't even meet that rung, what's the point ?

Now the Bishop has been sacked from his post, much to the delight of the global media establishment, despite him being almost irrelevant in this, just another ticked box on the list of things to quote Reuters of how the Pope has 'angered Jews'.

There's no polite way of saying this, but I suspect the Catholic Church should be 'angering Jews'. Not as a mission, but simply as part of its business of believing something different.

Look at the words 'ultra-traditionalist' in the BBC's version, as if that's something despicable.

Well you know what, I think that's a wonderful thing to be an' ultra-traditionalist'.

And that's after the Vatican demanded the Bishop recants, presumably after being told what to do by Angela Merkel.

So much for the Vatican secretly running the world.

And I'm going to say something else shocking now. Devastating though the crimes of WWII were, the world doesn't revolve around the Holocaust and being seen to pay it sufficient reverence in the form of tokens of appeasement and the whole thing played out like some ridiculous childish spectacle in the media.

This ghoulish fascination, this sickly surveillance to see who dares put a foot out of line, or can be coerced or provoked to put a foot out of line on the Holocaust and how that can be seized upon to attack institutions, has got to stop.

At some point it gets ridiculous and I think many good people out there who would normally be horrified and hungry for knowledge at many of the things that went on during World War II are now after being bombarded with this stream of nonsense, starting to say the Holocaust seems to be code for something else, and is that something else something I should care about ?

And the world is sick of these whining pages of drivel in the Times dedicated to demonstrating why some part of the Church is not sufficiently apologetic, acquiescent and philo-semitic enough.

The world is sick of hearing how 'good' 'Christians' worshiping at the fount of The War on Terror, Israel's sickening barbarism against Palestians and the moral, legislative and administritive deconstruction of their own societies and are 'real Christians', 'progressive Christians', 'moderate Christians'.

Frankly fuck off.

The problem for the media is (and I hate to be so sweeping but that's how it is) it's dug itself into a hole over this and tried to run with it in a million different sub-directions, tripping over itself to try to escalate the issue into some trend of not exactly 'pro Jewish' sentiment. Apparently the Vatican's has no other duties or concerns but to agree.

Personally I think the Vatican should be pro-Christian and pro-mankind, and the Pope should follow his own position, quoted in the Guardian back in August 2005 when :

"...Israel criticised Pope Benedict for not mentioning attacks on Israelis in a condemnation of terrorism. The Vatican responded with a terse statement asking Israel not to tell the Pope what to say"

But then again all of this whole sordid affair in the media shows how reasonable, and humble and gracious the Pope is, and frankly how unreasonable, vicious, hate-filled, nasty and childish and psychotic his enemies in the media and this particular campaign against him and the Catholic Church has been.

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Blogger Dr. Dan said...

SELECTIVE outrage. SELECTIVE bigotry. SELECTIVE piety.
1)Israel was APARTHEID SOuth Africa's ONLY ally. Israel engaged in weapons testing and trade with the RACIST, BLATANTLY RACIST, regime, as the REST of the WOrld boycotted.
SOME holocausts are MORE DESERVING than others.
2)Jerusalem Post Apr. 21, 2005
"And the world stood silent." This is one of the most indelible Jewish memories of the Holocaust, and one of our most bitter accusations.
On Sunday, in the Armenian capital of Yerevan, the 90th anniversary of the Armenian genocide - the slaughter of at least 1 million Armenian civilians by the Turkish Ottoman regime - will be memorialized.
What does the State of Israel and many of its American Jewish lobbyists have to say about it, about this first genocide ofthe 20th century? If they were merely standing silent, that would be an improvement. Instead, on the subject of the Armenian genocide, Israel and someUS Jewish organizations, notably the American Jewish Committee, have for many years acted aggressively as silencers. In Israel, attempts to broadcast documentaries about the genocide on state-run television have been aborted. A program to teach the genocide in public schools was watered down to the point that history teachers refused to teach it.
In the US Congress, resolutions to recognize it, and the Ottoman Turks' responsibility for it, have been snuffed out by Turkey and its right-hand man on this issue, the Israel lobby.
WHICH holocaust is Israel worried about being "denied". Why doesn't Israel mourn/wail about the WW1 holocaust. You could call it "The PRACTICE holocaust".
The story of the holocaust of up to six million European Jews didn't originate with World War Two. In fact, a very similar scenario was played out in somewhat less flamboyant terms during World War One and its aftermath. After World War One it was reported as news that five million, over five million, even six million Jews in Europe were sick or dying in a holocaust from starvation, horrible epidemics, and a malignant persecution. The following focuses especially on the World War One fund raising drives. These selected campaigns by major Jewish advocacy groups may offer historical significance both on their own and in terms of the post World War Two Holocaust industry.

12:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you expect from the Catholic church--pandering for a handout.(MOST) Jews are hibituial
liars and swindlers. Nothing will change. After WWII and up until 1952,the Jews screamed out that Hitler gassed 60,000,000 Jews. Only when the church stated that their was only 10 million Jews in all of europe did they whack offa O

12:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For a long time the hostilities and especially the 1967 war remained a puzzle but no more after I stumbled to the following article:
"In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba, flew to America and returned with seven x-ray machines, supplied to him by the American army. They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300 million Israeli liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today. To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, while many of the rest developed cancers that killed thousands over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis. "

12:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You seem to be missing the point. This is about the holocaust becoming church dogma-which it just became by the pope declaring it absolutely above question.
The crucifixion has been replaced. the church is no longer concerned with the killing of Christ by jews but instead the central tenet of faith at the catholic church is the killing of jews by Christians.
Oh, and by the way, take a few minutes to look into the holocaust--read what the revisionists have to say. You might be surprised.
Why all the fuss? Truth does not fear investigation. Truth withstands scrutiny.
Why the laws? why are scientist in prison for questioning? why are historians imprisoned? what are we hiding?
and why the hell is the catholic church pandering to the jews?
also, ask yourself what the hell happened at the 2nd vatican council? when anti-semitism was condemned, communism (a decidedly jewish incarnation) was NOT condemned and traditional views held by the church for 19 centuries were overturned--including the views that jews were guilty of deicide and conversion was necessary to save their souls.

at the end times, even the most faithful will be reeling in confusion. beware the deceptions.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

3:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Jewish narrative regarding the 'Holy-caust' needs to be examined rigorously. In any case. Catholics should support the Bishop's right to express his own views on the Holy-caust. Free speech is an intrinsic, God given, human right.

12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You fogot to mention who either influences or outright owns ALL mainstream media. If not owned, controlled by Jewish dominated advertising. Don't look for the media to print the truth or give a balanced account. The "6 million" number was first run up the flag pole in 1919. Didn't fly. It's the mystical number of Jews that need to die before the "return". Pleeeez

2:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forget the past 'holocaust', what about the current holocaust in Gaza? How much longer will these needless wars led by Israel continue? Will it 'change' under Obama? Highly doubtful, after his 'no comment' about Palestine. Israel already owns Obama after he picked Rahm Emanuel, the son of a terrorist, as Chief of Staff. Obama will probably let Mossad slide on their 9/11 involvement and Obama will continue Middle East wars. So who owns the new US President? Israel does, as always.

3:31 PM  
Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

Alright guys. Thanks for the comments, much appreciated. And thanks to Mike Rivero and his team at whatreallyhappened.com for posting this. I've been trying since 2005 to get something on there!

So for anyone else reading we've got a number of new commenters from What Really Happened.

And there's some really interesting things people have brought up here, and appreciate all the comments. I understand these are very hot issues but you know I think it's important to be better than the media is on this and to be as honest as one can.

What I feel about this is literally in what I've written.

I hate to do this, but I think I may edit a couple of the comments here over the next 24 hours not because I'm under the thumb of anyone or because I don't wish you guys to speak but because a couple of of them are in a kind of a vein of expression and focus that reads as strongly anti-social and as well they will only be seized upon to claim that's what I've written. It's only one or 2 sentences I'm really talking about.

And I try and make this place as broad a church as I can for different people and it's very very difficult.

Thanks again for all the comments, really totally appreciate it,

7:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sick and tired of the Jews and the Zionists and the jewish "holocaust."

And why should we care about it today, when the jews have turned right around, and done to others EXACTLY what the nazis did to them?

Or what the jews "claim" the nazis did.

In trying to FORCE people to think their way, and not to question what happened, something is wrong, here.

"Something is rotten in the State of Denmark!"

Now, I'm going to go right out and do extensive research, at every Inernet site, I can find.

A Latina

8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one should try and defend the indefensible. There have been abuses in the Catholic Church. On the other other hand there has been great out reach in terms of education, the poor, and health. The anti-Catholic rhetoric does seem to rise as a push back to Israeli and neoconservative adventures and failures. The real failure of the Church in the recent Gaza invasion was in not formally condemning the disproportionate Israeli response. Pope John-Paul II did condemn the invasion of Iraq. I guess the church remains a LST (large slow target); but please missiles only when required.

8:16 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

I was born baptised and raised as (an Anglian) Christian. My father was a Scottish Protestant and my mother an Irish Roman catholic. They produce four sons and one daughter. I was/am the first born/eldest and so have the most vivid memories of the stupid sorts of "shit" they had slung at them on a serial basis. To a lesser extent, my siblings & I suffered similarly.

Can you imagine what they/we were both put through, even by their/own extended families? I doubt it.

Anyway, my main point is that over the years so many members of "organised" religions pissed me off so much, so often, in so many stupid ways that I chose, of my own adult free will, to become Agnostic.

However, I have still not ever read anything that comes closer to my own philophy and beliefs than the teachings of the crapenter's son from Nazareth, as told in the New Testament. For the life of me I still can't understand why a "Bible" includes an old testament.

Didn't he carpenter's son actuall say (paraphrased): You have been told ... blah, blah, blah ... But - "I" - say unto you ... blah, blah.

Get it? Understand? Comprehend? If you did then you belong to a persecuted minoriy to which I also have been 'relegated'.

It's a meassure of how I view the blatant hypocrasy of so many organised religion advocates, that I stopped calling myself Christian simply because I was ashemed to be associated with the masses and masses of, what I call, Counterfeit Christians. I could no longer bear to be thought of as one of them, especially the American variety.

You'll note that even using the name Jesus makes me feel too close to so many of today's extreme fundamentalists.

Incidentally, against all the odds that were stacked against my mum & dad, and their kids, way back in those even more unlightened days of my childhood and youth, all five of us grew up to be decent, honest, tolerant, balanced and respected and in the main pretty sucessful in our various chosen careers.

In fact one of my younger brothers was invested with the Order of the British Empire in the year before last's homours list. For various - none denoninational and none religious civic & public service to this country.

Other brothers have military honours which they earned and wear with pride.

I'm not bragging in any way, btw, ust trying to show how so often religion actually hinders rather than helps.

You'll note though that I am not an atheist. Even those are far too dogmatic for me. In other words it's my truely, firmly, honestly held personal belie that althoughy can't see it for themselves, they're just another bunch of ectremist fundamentalists.

Finally, my strongest belief of all, religions-wise, is that even if "the real deal" carpenter's son reappeared tomorrow, here's what would happen.

First, he'd sort out the temples/chueches. Second he'd be crucified all over again, in one way or another. None of the "establishments" would wear him, They daren't.

4:34 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

Duh! Having reviewed my previous (long winded) comment I can only hope that nobody thinks that so many silly grammatical errors, in any way invalidates my 'credibility'.

4:40 PM  
Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

That's a truly wonderful post Richard and thank you so much for taking the time to share it. It's really interesting reading.

I think what you've written will find a chord with a lot of right minded people out there. It's such a great post you've written it should be on your blog! By the way to any new readers here Richard does one of the best British blogs out there.

And I really haven't got a lot to say after reading it, other I can pick a few things just to say I agree or that don't think anyone will not understand where you are coming from.

Thanks again for sharing that Richard!


6:22 PM  
Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

And actually I would pick out a few things just to say I think there will be a lot sympathy with what you're saying, and many things I agree whether it's what you said about America which I think is very true and very worrying as well, and it's something from a slightly different angle I touched on here recently.

What you wrote about atheism is absolutely bang on. I hope to be talking about both the these issues together at some point in the near future.

Also your mentioned the Old Testament...

and also what you wrote about the real deal Carpenter's Son...

it's a wonderful post Richard.

6:46 PM  

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