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Friday, December 16, 2005

Hero: Child who dismantled CCTV in bathroom

Sick people spy on kids in bathroomsNot the first case of it's kind either:

"Witchita, KS - An East High freshman faces expulsion for something the district says never should have happened. Monday Charles Rogers discovered a camera in the foyer of the boy’s bathroom. "The camera there period surprised me. It was a little spy camera, I didn't think anything like that was in the bathroom. I didn't think it was the schools, I thought it was a perverted janitor," Charles said.

He took the camera. He says it was in a little hole in the ceiling tile. He also took the receiver which was in the schools auditorium. "It looked like an irregular setup. It wasn't in a security room," his mom Melinda Rogers said.

Mrs. Rogers says what her son did was wrong. But she wants to know why there was a hidden camera to begin with. Eyewitness News asked the district that question."
Infowars (KWCH)

What her son did was not wrong. It was absolutely right. The kid is a hero and quite frankly people should take a leaf out his book everywhere.

CCTV is out of control, it needs to end.

19 Comments:

Blogger Richard said...

You certainly keep coming up with some great stuff, jultra; so don't stop.

Thanks for the pointer to the infowars site, btw - it's now bookmarked.

2:25 PM  
Blogger Gert said...

CCTV, now there's a waste of time and money. And it gives people a false sense of security.

For any determined crim, there's always the Highly Technological Detection Avoidance System (or HTDAS), aka the Hoodie! More creative types can resort to the old spray can.

I was beaten up (quite badly) once coming home from a club. I complained to the police. They came back to me and told me the whole incident had been recorded on CCTV but they advised against prosecution. The images were of such poor quality it looked like I had picked the fight myself!

A friend of mine, a little drunk at the time, had her bag stolen in a JD Wetherspoon's pub, under the watchful eye of many CCTV cameras. Again the police couldn't prosecute: "we don't know this guy, see..." Yeah, I can see clearly now too!

I cut the coaxial wires to a CCTV camera of a neighbouring pub once. The wire was running over my land. I nearly got prosecuted for criminal damage. After three "interviews" Sherlock had to admit he had no evidence. He said: "But I know you did it..." I said: "No, you don't..."

And then they get offended when you call it a police state!

5:06 PM  
Blogger Timmer said...

Plenty of pros and cons about CCTV. Truth is that if hidden camreas are in the public domain, or in a privately owned business (esp. behind the register), here in the states it has provided evidence for literally hundreds (if not thousands) of convictions. The most recent biggy was the arrest and conviction of a man who was caught on camera obducting a 13-year old girl in a parking lot. She was repeatedly raped before being murdered, but the footage helped to locate and prosecute this monster.

The CCTV in the locker room? I disagree with that, but the boy still committed a crime. There were better ways to go about protesting...and somehow I think we are not getting the whole story here.

11:02 PM  
Blogger Gert said...

"Hidden" cameras? Now, that's just plain hideous. Sorry Timmer, some here just don't like to be spied upon 24/7, it's a revolting thought.

Then there's the moronic "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear". Well, for starters, far from being a criminal, I've lots to hide, thanks.

The whole CCTV/ID cards/National Identity Register debate that's raging here in the UK is about avoiding handing over control totally to "the Government". No, I'm not "anti-Government" or even "anti-establishment", rather the opposite: I believe the Government is ours, not the other way around.

Much of the "new technology" is also inspired by a blind belief in things a lot of people simply don't understand. I'm a technologist and a technology enthusiast as it happens but that makes me realise that this new God is really only another case of "The Emperor's New Clothes".

DNA is a good example. Of course this technology is really useful and effective... provided it's used properly. Sample swapping, framing, contamination etc etc are just as well possible with DNA as they are with any other form of forensic evidence. But the whole idea has been sold to our sheople as waterproof, ironclad, "can't-go-wrong". It can and it does.

CCTV can in some cases have its uses but not when it becomes a national obsession and "cure for all".

In my hometown the police force are a bunch of dumb fuckwits, a liability rather than an asset. I could give you a list the length of my arm of incidents of incompetence, negligence, cowardice etc. Why would I agree to invest in technology for incompetent brats like that? So they can fiddle with their joysticks? I think not...

5:03 PM  
Blogger The Antagonist said...

How about a quick litmus test as to who really benefits from CCTV....

Some five months after the day that heralded the start of the "The largest criminal inquiry in English history", according to Sir Ian Blair, CCTV has managed to provide just one poor quality image of the four alleged suicide bombers together on July 7th.

Great going, I'm sure you'll all agree.

Perhaps CCTV is nothing more than one of the technologies of political control used by the petrified few to keep an ever watchful eye over the increasingly restless many.

The state is armed in many ways against the people and the people.... well.... they get life imprisonment for setting fire to wheelie bins and convicted for peaceful protest.

8:17 PM  
Blogger Gert said...

What I find the most incredible about this state of affairs is that the citizens of this country are accountable for even the slightest misdemeanours and often face the most draconian of punishments, yet our "leaders" when committing the most serious of mistakes and telling the most blatant of lies remain entirely... unaccountable!

3:26 PM  
Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

Richard: Cheers for the comment. infowars.com, prisonplanet.com, absolutely, these are excellent sites to read and it's not the first time reports of cctv in kid's bathrooms has come out.

Sorry to hear about that incident Gert, and it illustrates just how useless CCTV is at actually preventing violent attacks and street robberies, shop lifting and things like that.

Even the Home Office's own figures show that for crime reduction CCTV is largely a joke, other statistics show it actually increases violent crime. And it's interesting that despite spending a quarter of a billion bounds on CCTV, violent crime is ever increasing, while the detection rate is in freefall.

And Gert you are an absolute hero in snipping those wires.

I see the mighty Timmer has joined us, thanks for posting.

In some high profile cases of child abduction CCTV has been seen as helpful, in this country too. But in the Bulger case, or in the case you refer to CCTV never stopped the horrific acts from occuring, additionally in those circumstances one has to ask would the police never have brought the perpetrators to justice without CCTV?

As horrific as child abductions are, does that mean mass blanket surveillance and being caught on camera 300 times a day on average in London is ok ? I don't think it is.

The way I see it, CCTV is something the police are getting too reliant on where it suits them (and the Home Office spin machine), yet ironically in the UK, even local government CCTV rooms are often run by private companies with their own agenda, and the people selling CCTV to government, use some of the lowest arguments around to justify what they are doing (Google 'Jack Gin' for an example).

As for 'crime', people have to interpret the 'law' within their own tolerance threshold ultimately.

I take enormous offence at being watched as I walk down the road, or on the Underground and Railways, it actually makes me want to puke. I do not feel 'safer', I know it's not going to stop anything.

I hope the trend of CCTV can be reveresed peacefully, but at the end of the day it needs to be reversed and an awful lot of cameras out there need to be coming down.

And absolutely Gert, these things are solutions looking for a problem. The CCTV situation in the UK is out of control.

Antagonist: I hadn't heard about that, that is disgusting. Clearly the law is warped, distorted and no longer concerned with the pursuit of justice, and should be regarded as such.

And Gert, these people running the show are some of the worst criminals around.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Gert said...

No, a hero, now that's WAY to much praise for little old me.

Still, it was fun getting away with something like this, right underneath their own "eyes"! What a bunch of Clouseaus.

4:45 PM  
Blogger Gert said...

I keep meaning to respond to one of your points and keep forgetting. Third time lucky? here goes:

"In some high profile cases of child abduction CCTV has been seen as helpful, in this country too. But in the Bulger case, or in the case you refer to CCTV never stopped the horrific acts from occuring, additionally in those circumstances one has to ask would the police never have brought the perpetrators to justice without CCTV?"

This is an extremely important point: it's often assumed that the part CCTV plays (when it does) is predominant but very often that's simply not the case. You'd have to make an objective and scientific comparison (with-w/o CCTV) to draw significant conclusions.

For CCTV recognition to work, images have to be available of all possible perpetrators to pick out the most likely suspect. Ring a bell, does it? Ah, more arguments for the Leviathan database... Puhleeese!

5:02 PM  
Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

This is why I think it is very dangerous, because the police start getting reliant on it's presence and the Home Office can then say "oh look we caught this guy with CCTV, it's an invaluable tool in the fight against crime etc blah blah", but reality is no one really knows if that person would have been caught or not and the statistics don't point in that direction.

It's also dangerous when people start to use the presence of CCTV to justify other things. I was actually arguing with some guy on the Guardian's site and he was one of these 'well I'm already tracked by CCTV, I don't see the problem of ID cards' idiots, but actually that demonstrates the problem, because the more you push this shit onto society the more people get conditioned into thinking it is normal and the next notch up in your prison camp is some kind of natural progression. But that is wrong, the situation in the UK with CCTV everywhere is distinctly abnormal, it's only tolerated because most people are pretending it doesn't exist or are not thinking about it. When you start noticing it, start counting the cameras, start looking out for them it becomes a very different scenario.

There is also an enormous problem with CCTV in it's image and how it is used. The BBC on their site, their video clip talking about Blair's press conference (I think it's this link) actually use the image of a CCTV camera when mentioning terrorism, and that is just plain bad.

1:10 AM  
Blogger Gert said...

Yes, CCTV/biometric ID cards/NIR/facial recognition etc, it all ties in with the mass Surveillance State (SS). The problem is that the contribution this state of affairs can make to crime and terror fighting is highly debatable, as crims develop their own counter-measures, leading to nothing more than a kind of an arms race and business as usual.

But the potential for extreme exploitation, data-mining, controlling the population's movement and behaviour is enormous. The potential drawbacks therefore far, far outweigh the potential benefits, costs aside of course...

And again you're right: CCTV is more of a UK/US problem than in most European countries. Here CCTV has somehow taken an extensive foothold and many citizens blindly believe in it, even if they really don't fully understand the arguments for/against. Many now use CCTV (as well as fakes) to "protect" their front doors. They don't seem to realise how little, if anything, can be achieved with this kind of "crime prevention measure". But it does lead to wider acceptance of a technology that is high on potential abuse. CCTV, logically speaking, can only really work in conjunction with a wide image database of "suspects". Without it the Bobby-on-the-beat is far more effective.

The main "counter-arguments" I encounter when discussing this with others are:

1. "You're just a conspiracy-theorist, Big Brother and all that..." (I'm not at all into conspiracy theories)
2. "I've got nothing to hide so I don't mind being followed around" (well, do speak for yourself)

On the positive side, there's plenty resistance to these ideas and HMG has already had to pipe down on a few things. "The rules have changed": not if we can help it.

Thanks for the discussion.

11:46 AM  
Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

And it gets worse and I can't seriously imagine any part of the establishment apparatus actually spending 25 years working out how to enslave people like this. It's just astonishing to me. No conspiracy theory could make it up. What are they doing ?

4:13 PM  
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10:44 PM  
Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

Someone wrote at sometime:

"today we found 7 hidden cammeras in out bathroom in school and i want to know is this legal and what should or can i do to find out more or prevent it.can someone please help me shed some light on this matter at"

That's cool and thanks for posting and they also put an email address with this which I think you should be very careful about.

Certainly any child at school should talk to your parents about something like this.

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